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What's the dark side of Silicon Valley?

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Ben Casey
Ben Casey, lives in Silicon Valley (1999-present)

Oh how I loved the ‘only in silicon valley’ answers! Complaining about types of entrepreneurs!

There’s all sorts of annoyances here. Let me share my opinion on the “dark side”:

The standard of living here is terrible.

So many examples, let me start with the apartment building I’m looking at from my office window. It charges around $3500 a month for a two bedroom apartment. These are “luxury” apartments intended for childless professionals. The apartments are wonderfully designed for separate living quarters, where the only time you might see your roommate is when you get your coffee. The apartment has no outside space, just a park across the street. It assigns a single parking spot per unit. that’s OK they claim they are one block from a trolly station.

Presumably half of the residents park in the street. The street suffers theft every week, including all sorts of vandalism. Crime in upper middle class areas is common. This puts the residents into panic mode with parking and forces angst ridden parking situations. All along the street are porsches, BMWs, and similar cars, including more common ones.

Now, think about this, you make $150,000 a year. You split the rent with someone paying close to 2000 a month, and you take turns parking in the street. You have no outdoor space.

Like a city. But it’s not a city. Indeed, you have no city amenities. No close by restaurants. No corner grocery stores. No arts, theater, absolutely nothing but sprawl and chain stores.

But you make $150,000 a year.

Will you work at least 60 hours a week? Possibly. Can you afford to raise children? Maybe. Like most around here, you’ll outsource raising your kids. You’ll outsource almost all pet services too. You can afford to pay others for loving what you love, how else could you show your love in the backwards place?

Taxes in CA are depressing. After that fat salary, you’ll have very little to show for it: an apartment, with a roommate, a nice BMW that occasionally gets broken into. No free time. No personal time.

It’s subtle, but an enormous difference when you move here from elsewhere. You will not see baseball diamonds, families on residential streets. You won’t smell jasmine or citrus blossoms like all over SoCal. You will not go to the beach (they made them into state parks with admission prices and then they will kick you out at sunset).

Your standard of living just plummeted though you doubled your salary.

Lots of my friends love it here; they live and breath code, tech, teslas and apple gear. They are very well off, but live in ordinary homes in suburban sprawl. Palo Alto goes for $1200 square foot.

You could move elsewhere and enjoy a far better standard of living but work remotely… a friend moved to Colorado and bought a palace for money that he laughed at: $600,000. He paid cash from his townhouse equity. Not stocks! Just equity from a silly little townhouse.

I have a horrible little townhouse in San Jose. 1100 square feet. Appraised at $820,000.

Elsewhere, things are expensive. But what do you get? It’s expensive in Tokyo, London, Paris, New York - but what do you get? Access to studios? Shows? Restaurants? Other countries?

Here, in Silicon Valley, you know what you get? A job.

Seriously, that’s the draw here. You get a job.

And you get to work for someone who professes to be progressive but makes many, many multiples of everyone else in the company. You work for that guy. And you outsource everything lovely in life so you can work for that guy. He goes mountain biking before work, you sit in traffic.

This place is a fraud, and quite honestly, the ostentatiousness, the self-importance, and the standard display of self-congragulation disgust me . I absolutely cannot wait to collect my small sum of loot and get the hell out.

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Han Ooi
Han Ooi, Founder and CEO (2015-present)

You see this picture?

This is a picture I took at the Airbnb I stayed when attending a MEMS sensor conference in Santa Clara. The location was close to Intel, NVidia, Dell, Oracle, Apple, and all sorts of big famous valley companies.

Anyone want to guess what they are?

They are garden sheds that the landlord was leasing out to engineers who worked at the above. The housing there is SOOO expensive engineers with doctorates and masters are living in GARDEN SHEDS!

The landlord, a retired Vietnamese Chinese mechanical engineer told me the rents there are so high that these accommodations are all the interns and engineers at the beginning of their careers can afford.

The junk you see in the foreground are stuff the landlord was clearing out so he could put more garden sheds in. You can see from the lights, the sheds in his backyard are fully leased.

After seeing this, I finally understood why places like Google provided free breakfast, lunch and dinner. Their employees had no place to cook! LOL

Don’t even get me started on bringing a girlfriend home…probably not an issue with engineers but still…

Sally Clearwater
Sally Clearwater, lives in Silicon Valley
Man, so many things.

The expectations in the Valley are so high. Kids here are intellectually fluent in almost anything. Students in the Silicon Valley help raise the average SAT score in California. Since the expectations are so high for people living here (a 4.0 GPA is considered lazy), teenagers who fail to meet that requirement fall into despair.

There are many, many suicides in the Silicon Valley, Palo Alto especially. Over 200 deaths on the CalTrain tracks in the past ten years, and thats just from dying on the tracks. The number almost doubles when you account the deaths from other methods of suicide.

I walk to school every day and pass those tracks. Almost every month I glance at the tracks and see a yellow bag. I know what its covering, so I turn my gaze and continue. This week alone had two more suicides.

The large amount of deaths on the tracks have led people into silence. Nobody discusses the deceased anymore. They are not in the newspapers, only in confidential police records.

Nowadays, there are police officers everywhere guarding the tracks. To protect people from themselves. It is so sad when you think about it.

So you ask for the "dark side." Let me tell you: if this high expectation continues and suicides continue at this rate, there won't be another generation of children raised in the Silicon Valley.
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Brad Gardner
Brad Gardner, writer on China, emerging markets, and unrelated cultural things
Something that is generally left out from the discussions here, is that a lot of the "dark side" of Silicon Valley has to do with the fact that government in the region is severely dysfunctional and corrupt. Some examples:

Lack of unified policy: Within 4 blocks of my house are 4 cities - Cupertino, Santa Clara, Sunnyvale and San Jose. These four cities all have fantastically different policy priorities, and often hate each other. For example:
- Cupertino consistently underbids other companies on corporate taxes (which is why Apple is there)
- When a new hospital was built in Santa Clara, Sunnyvale delayed permits that would have allowed people to exit the hospital towards their city.
- One road (Steven's Creek) connects Apple Computers with the largest shopping mall in the area and the largest population center. Local government officials have said that a light rail on the street would be impossible to build, because it crosses 3 cities.

High property prices are a conscious choice: San Francisco's population density is about one-fourth Manhattan or Paris, and about one-tenth Hong Kong island. This is a conscious choice by the San Francisco government.

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And density restrictions are much less severe in San Francisco than in other cities in the region, where governments enforce suburband development. This is largely a way to attract high income workers and keep out poor people. But the amount of wealth in the region, and the lack of housing means that people who count themselves as "poor" now can have six-figure incomes.This has the added cost of moving people out into the exurbs, requiring the use of more land for roads, more pollution, and generally more unhappy people. The perpetual inability to push BART through San Mateo county also had to do with density concerns.

The government severely mismanages tax income:  This is acknowledged by the locals.

The Worst-Run Big City in the U.S.

I also have no clue why childcare costs so much in this area, but there's no way it makes sense without significant government externalities. If a year of childcare counts for 5 years of college like a previous poster claimed (I assume it's an exaggeration), even at the most restrictive provider/child ratios (4:1 for children under 9 months), that means each worker would be bringing in $640,000. Friends I know with children estimated it was $2000 a month, which would be a more modest $92,000, but after 3 years it would ratchet up to a 12:1 ratio or $288,000. Which is insane.

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Chris Raymond
Chris Raymond, passionate car enthusiast, father, and web entrepreneur

The negative descriptive words that come to mind when I think of Silicon Valley are: arrogance, pretentious, greed, overcrowded, overvalued, and stressful. I have some positive words too, but this topic is centered on the negative. Here's a very personal take on the subject...

My wife and I grew up there and spent most of our adult lives in and around San Jose. Having worked in the tech industry in the late 90's early 00's, mostly for a great little start-up company, I had a lot of fun and fully embraced that "cool" Bay Area vibe. My wife worked for a few tech start-ups as well. I still consider myself to be an entrepreneur and still know many people with that same spirit who live there. We moved out to Denver for several years and have since moved to the Roseville/Sacramento area and visit the Bay Area often.

My advice would be; Don't get too caught up in the hype. The Bay Area/Silicon Valley can feel like the center of the universe at times for a tech entrepreneur. You'll find that many who live there believe that and you'll probably sense a bit of the arrogance we sensed. I remember feeling like I was surrounded by the best and brightest, and that living there meant that I had the best chance of being involved in some of the most exciting projects ever... the reality is that most projects and start-ups there fail and success is elusive. Don't get me wrong, the success stories are definitely great to read about and are inspirational to see and be a part of. But don't expect that to be the norm. You need to keep learning and improving your skills to keep up with the trends. And as others have pointed out, be prepared to compromise quite a bit due to the ridiculous housing prices and expenses that are cheaper elsewhere.

The high cost of living has many negative effects. You come to realize that family life takes a back seat to work life when living in Silicon Valley. Children tend to grow up in day cares, after school programs, and/or in some cases on their own while both parents work and endure long commutes, and it's pretty evident in the attitudes and personalities of the young people who live there. Parents simply can't afford to be involved in their children's lives because they're forced to work to make ends meet. Most areas that aren't considered ritzy or glamorous have a run down, unkept, overcrowded, and sometimes unfriendly feel to them. Most neighborhoods and communities have endured the wrath of rapid growth for decades and the lack of planning has had a significant negative effect on the overall appearance and feel of Silicon Valley. Turn over is pretty high in a lot of communities and that might play a role in why a lot of the neighborhoods don't have a friendly feel to them. In many ways the Bay Area has the look and feel of a boomtown that has been used up by the masses. It's one of the few places I know of where a great job and $400k buys you a home in a neighborhood that many outsiders would consider ghetto-looking.

I don't think we'll ever move back, even if we could afford to live in one of the few areas that we feel gives us close to what we have now on a single income. Sometimes I still miss the SV vibe, but I've found that the entrepreneurial spirit and drive comes mostly from within, not from where you live. I don't have some of the professional opportunities I would if we lived there, but I also benefit quite a bit by not living there, mainly from being able to support my family on a single income while my wife, who has dedicated herself to being a wonderful stay-at-home mom, takes care of our girls and shuttles them around to school and other activities daily - something the average family just can't do living in the Bay Area. It's a lifestyle choice that we've made and are quite happy with.

Quality of life means something different to everyone. Take a moment to define what it means to you, personally and professionally. Be prepared to compromise. And try to take advantage of all of the positive aspects of the Bay Area every chance you get. Otherwise you'll find that the sacrifices simply are not worth it.

Randy Andrews
Randy Andrews, B.S. Mathematics (1979)
I have lived in SV for 32 years, so I think I can provide some additional perspective on this topic. 

A very short takeaway:
Pro: Working with some of the smartest, most creative people in the world.  We like to be disruptive. 

Con: Long hours and high pressure lifestyle, for years.  You always hear about the winners living in mansions, but the average SV engineer puts in 10 hours a day and commutes another 1 or 2 hours a day.  It is a pretty stressed out place.  We just work our a** off to keep making our housing payments.

Here is a longer take:

1) We are here for the money.  Don't kid yourself.
2) House prices have *always* been out of reach for a single person.  If you want a house and you are not an executive/startup mogul (VERY rare), then get married and buy the house with the two incomes.
3) Single ladies are difficult to find in the San Jose area (sometimes called Man Jose).  I met my wife after I took a job up the penninsula.
4) Basically a meritocracy - it is unusual to find a company hiring/promoting someone based on who they know or some sex/race based quota.
5) There is no job security.   Jobs come and go, companies come and go.  An average of 2 - 3 years in a job is not unusual.  This also means you cannot get a job and just coast and not stay current, since you will be interviewing again soon.
6) Traffic always sucks.  The roads are always being rebuilt, and they are always too little too late.  Not a great choice - deal with traffic or pay big $$ for a house.
7) Hours are really long.   Expect to work 50 - 60 hrs a week and get paid for 40.  Hours have gotten much longer over the years, and this is just exploitative IMHO.
8) Startups rarely make it - think lottery ticket.
9) Beautiful area, great weather, and lots to do.